Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on Thu May 08 2025 09:27 pm

Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the difference
between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules.

I think everyone understands that work a fiction is not reality. It's pretty clear and understood what works in fiction, as it doesn't necessarily represent reality.

I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but I feel like it's also good entertainment.

If you've only watched the original series, maybe give some of the other Star Trek series a try (maybe Deep Space 9) but it sounds like it might not be your thing.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Boraxman to DaiTengu on
Thu May 08 2025 09:27 pm

Depict whatever you like in fiction, but be clear of the

difference

between what works in fiction and what works in reality. Anyone can
make their ideals work in fiction and convince people that real life
would work according to their rules.

I think everyone understands that work a fiction is not reality. It's pretty clear and understood what works in fiction, as it doesn't necessarily represent reality.

I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but
I feel like it's also good entertainment.

If you've only watched the original series, maybe give some of the
other Star Trek series a try (maybe Deep Space 9) but it sounds like it might not be your thing.

I don't think everyone does understand the difference between reality and idealism. If people by and large did, we wouldn't have such an absurd amount of
propaganda and messaging and absolute relentless portrayals of the "ideal future". Almost every single ad on TV is now "Star Trek". You'll barely see a family on a TV advert that isn't mixed race. Its a completely manufactured image to try and sell a future. Almost all corporate messaging is
deliberately tuned to present this ideal. It sounds innocent, but people actually do honestly base their politics on works of fiction. Another example is Ayn Rand, there are people who honestly make political decisions, based on her fiction. They think the world works the way it does in Atlas Shrugged.

Note, this is different to a work with a moral in it (like Aesops fables), or a warning (Crime and Punishment).

I think the first Star Trek series I watched was The Next Generation, in the early 90s. I didn't actually know there had been an earlier series. I thought
at the time that "Star Trek" prior to that was just the movies. I stumbled onto
the original series later, and it was different. Star Trek the original series was more of a space adventure, with heroism and exploration. The Next Generation had that element, but also was more "beaurocratic". I watched an episode of Voyager or two, but it seemed the franchise had become more about the
Star Trek Universe than adventure itself. At least that is my impression, others will see things differently. Deep Space 9 didn't interest me at all.




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Quoting Boraxman to Nightfox <=-

I've enjoyed watching Star Trek as it represents what we could be, but
I feel like it's also good entertainment.

I don't think everyone does understand the difference between reality
and idealism. If people by and large did, we wouldn't have such an
absurd amount of
propaganda and messaging and absolute relentless portrayals of the
"ideal future". Almost every single ad on TV is now "Star Trek".
You'll barely see a family on a TV advert that isn't mixed race. Its a completely manufactured image to try and sell a future. Almost all corporate messaging is deliberately tuned to present this ideal. It sounds innocent, but people actually do honestly base their politics on works of fiction.

I agree with your points on TV ads and corporate messaging. Not sure what
that has to do with Star Trek or entertainment in general (other than
the corporations supporting it). The content is entertainment. And the
content you watch is voluntary. If I don't like something I don't watch
it. Doubly so for the ad industry supporting it.

It's sickening to see a great older movie, supported by pharma
companies who invent drugs to solve imaginary illnesses and directed at
normal people who don't have any of those imaginary problems. I don't
like it, so I don't normally watch that content. Thats voluntary for me
though.

Star trek is fun for me to watch. It's a getaway. Reminds me of the
1960's when things were simpler (for me anyway).

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Boraxman wrote to Nightfox <=-

I think the first Star Trek series I watched was The Next Generation,
in the early 90s. I didn't actually know there had been an earlier series. I thought
at the time that "Star Trek" prior to that was just the movies. I stumbled onto
the original series later, and it was different. Star Trek the
original series was more of a space adventure, with heroism and exploration. The Next Generation had that element, but also was more "beaurocratic".

I think this is a very astute comment! TOS was more adventure television,
set in space (the final frontier), much like Quantum Leap was a drama
set in the world of time travel. Why time travel? Because the creator
wanted to make an anthology program. Time travel became the best way
to get the protaganist into a different 'setting' each week.

Even The Walking Dead, back when it was new, was the same for me. Once
I started watching it I realized it was a drama set during a zombie
apocalypse. The stories and character development would have worked
even if the setting had been different.



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